Minutes, IBIS Quality Committee 12 October 2010 11:00-12:00 EST (08:00-09:00 PST) ROLL CALL Adam Tambone * Anders Ekholm, Ericsson Barry Katz, SiSoft Benny Lazer Benjamin P Silva Bob Cox, Micron * Bob Ross, Teraspeed Consulting Group Brian Arsenault David Banas, Xilinx * Eckhard Lenski, Nokia Siemens Networks Eric Brock Guan Tao, Huawei Technologies Gregory R Edlund Hazem Hegazy Huang Chunxing, Huawei Technologies John Figueroa John Angulo, Mentor Graphics Katja Koller, Nokia Siemens Networks Kevin Fisher Kim Helliwell, LSI Logic Lance Wang, IOMethodology Lijun, Huawei Lynne Green, Green Streak Programs * Mike LaBonte, Cisco Systems Mike Mayer, SiSoft * Moshiul Haque, Micron Technology Muniswarareddy Vorugu, ARM Ltd Pavani Jella, TI Peter LaFlamme Randy Wolff, Micron Technology Radovan Vuletic, Qimonda Robert Haller, Enterasys Roy Leventhal, Leventhal Design & Communications Sherif Hammad, Mentor Graphics Tim Coyle, Signal Consulting Group Todd Westerhoff, SiSoft Tom Dagostino, Teraspeed Consulting Group Kazuyoshi Shoji, Hitachi Sadahiro Nonoyama Everyone in attendance marked by * NOTE: "AR" = Action Required. -----------------------MINUTES --------------------------- Mike LaBonte conducted the meeting. Call for opens and IBIS related patent disclosures: - No one declared a patent. - Mike: Michael Mirmak has suggested task group protocol changes - We will discuss today AR Review: - None New items: Task group protocol changes proposed by Michael Mirmak: 1) Allow comments on/changes to minutes, similar to the Open Forum meetings, and ask for objections to approval - Mike: I need to issue minutes more timely - In Open Forum this is done, usually takes 10 seconds - We will adopt this idea 2) Announce the dates for the next *two* meetings and ask for objections - We will adopt this idea - Will be done at the end of meeting 3) Announce the agenda for the next meeting and ask for objections - Mike: This should help - We will adopt this idea 4) Track attendance vs. company in a way that indicates IBIS member companies vs. non-member companies; this helps during votes. Next meeting will be October 26 - Bob: We need to scrub the attendee list - Open Forum uses a 1 year cutoff - Also organize by company - Mike: Should we require voters to be members? - Bob: Yes - Everyone here today is a member - We will adopt this idea AR: Mike reformat minutes template to AR: Mike make list of last time each person attended Should we continue to investigate IEEE FSV? - Anders: It does not seem to be clear - Bob: It does not seem to have wide adoption - It may take energy we don't have - Mike: We thought we might help people to understand it - Bob: We can produce a reference document of ideas - What do model recipients want for correlation? - Anders: We talked more than a year ago - We want the reference data to do our own correlation - [Test Load] and [Test Data] are needed - Mike: It might help to have agreement on [Test Load]s - Anders: [Test Load] should be an external SPICE file - It should be IBIS-ISS - Moshiul: We provide waveforms, not raw data - Is that sufficient? - Mike: I need to have something software can look at - Moshiul: It has to involve SPICE - Bob: IBIS-ISS is currently seeing some nit-picking changes - References into and out of it still need to be cleaned up - Some parts still don't make sense - It will be an IBIS specification, not a standard - IBIS 5.0 is a spec, not a standard, for example - Anders: What is the link between IBIS and IBIS-ISS? - Bob: Arpad proposed adding it as one of the SPICE languages for [External Circuit] and [External Model] - Anders: Param passing? - Bob: Yes - Anders: We could propose [External Test Load] and [External Test Data] - Will any IC vendors use it? - Bob: Do we need test loads with W element? - Anders: Currently the vendors decide what the circuit should be - Moshiul: If the circuit is SPICE the data needs to be from SPICE too - Bob: External load/data will be adopted only if a business case - IBIS is already bloated - It has features not adopted by most tools AR: Anders draft external load/data BIRD Anders: We don't know what would happen if we started deprecating - Bob: Many features are used by at least some - For example Sigrity uses [Pin Mapping] - Mike: Deprecating some features may bring about better replacements Next meetings: - Oct 26 is OK - Nov 9 & 16 too close to summits - Next meetings Oct 26 and Nov 23 Oct 26 agenda: - New BIRD Bob: We need to continue discussion of our mission: - We have few IC vendors in the group - Do we need to keep meeting? - We can work more on the quality spec - We left out correlation because it was going to be separate - Anders: We could discuss deprecation Meeting ended at 12:07 Eastern Time.